Published May 14, 2021

Children’s book author-illustrators Tom Angleberger (DJ Funkyfoot! Butler for Hire) and Dub Leffler (Once There Was a Boy, Sorry Day, Bindi, and Strangers on Country) took part in this interactive, gameshow-style event, hosted by Sarah FitzHenry, featuring fun challenges and silly twists for ages five and up. Fun for all ages!

Watch the video from this event here and read the transcript below:

Check out some of the drawings from the event!

Drawing of an octopus in formal gown (black sharpie on white paper) by Tom Angleberger
Drawing of a pickle driving a car powered by giggles (black sharpie on white paper) by Tom Angleberger
Drawing of a unicorn eating ice cream in a moon rover (black sharpie on white paper) by Tom Angleberger

Thanks to our bookseller for this event, UVA Bookstore.

Originally planned as part of the 2021 Virginia Festival of the Book, this event was rescheduled to May 13 due to unforeseen circumstances.

“[In DJ Funkyfoot! Butler for Hire] readers will come to admire the dapper dog’s (mostly) unflappable ability to carry on—or, at least, make a hasty exit.”―Booklist

“This is a simply beautiful and beautifully simple book. Leffler, an animator, muralist and art teacher, has created a visually evocative and emotionally-charged book in Once There Was a Boy.“—Kids’ Book Review


Thanks to our partner for this event: Kluge-Ruhe Aboriginal Art Collection of UVA, with support from the Australia Council for the Arts, the UVA Mellon Indigenous Arts Initiative, and the UVA Vice Provost for the Arts.


SARAH LAWSON:  Hi, everyone. Welcome to Double Draw Dare with Tom Angleberger and Dub Leffler, a rescheduled program in the all-virtual 2021 Virginia Festival of the Book. I’m Sarah Lawson, associate director of the Virginia Center for the Book, a program of Virginia Humanities. Thanks for joining us. 

A few notes before we get going: This event has optional closed captioning, which you can turn on and customize at any time using the closed captions tab at the bottom of your window. For details about how to buy today’s featured books from our bookseller for this event, UVA bookstore, visit, where you can also explore our schedule of upcoming events and watch past events. While you’re there, please consider making a donation to support the festival’s ongoing work at

Thanks to our partners for this event, Kluge-Ruhe Aboriginal Art Collection of UVA, with support from the Australia Council for the Arts, the UVA Mellon Indigenous Arts Initiative, and the UVA Vice Provost for the Arts. We also greatly appreciate the support of all Festival sponsors, donors, and community partners.

Now, I’m pleased to introduce our game show host, our master of ceremonies, Sarah FitzHenry. Sarah is an educational innovator, librarian, tech geek, and jane-of-all-trades. She is the founder of Fitz Between the Shelves, a platform focused on helping to shape the next generation of leaders, and a co-host of the Once Upon a Tech podcast. She takes curiosity and silliness very seriously. Thanks for joining us, Sarah. Take it away.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Thank you so much. Hello, and welcome to Double Draw Dare, the game show that takes fantastically talented artists and makes them draw truly ridiculous things. To the kids in the audience, I hope that you will draw along with us at home. Because the only way to get better at drawing is to practice. So grab a paper, some pencils, and some art supplies because we are in for quite a ride tonight. I’m your host, Sarah FitzHenry, but pretty much everyone calls me Ms. Fitz, and here’s what you need to know about me. I love books and stories. I like to spend as much time as possible upside down, and my favorite color is rainbow, if glitter doesn’t count as a color.

This game is all about drawing, and I have a lot of strengths, but drawing is not one of them. So it’s a good thing I am the host tonight and not a contestant. But we’re in luck—our two contestants are incredibly talented illustrators. So let’s meet them.

First up is Tom Angleberger. As you heard from Miss Lawson, Tom is a very famous and impressive author and illustrator. But more importantly, he is a major Star Wars fan. He’s also an origami enthusiast. So when you take a Star Wars fan and an origami enthusiast and you combine the two—boom, you have a Star Wars origami expert. Thank you so much for being here with us, Tom. Is there anything you want to say to our audience?

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Hey, everybody, how’s it going? Hey, are you out there? It’s great to see everybody. You know you are right about the Star Wars thing. I’ve got a lot of Star Wars stuff all over the place here. And tonight, if it’s Star Wars I’ve got to draw, if it’s Star Trek I’ve got to draw, if it’s Battlestar Galactica I’ve got to draw, if it’s unicorns I got to draw, I don’t care. I’m going to win tonight. I’m here to win.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Very strong words from contestant number one. So that brings us to contestant number two. Our second contestant is the fabulous Dub Leffler. You heard in his official bio that Dub is an illustrator, a writer, an animator, and a mixed media artist, but do you know his favorite vegetable? Well, you’re about to. Dub comes all the way from Australia, and his favorite color is green, and his favorite vegetable is cauliflower. Thank you so much for joining us, Dub, and do you have anything to say to our audience?

DUB LEFFLER:  I’m going to win. Hello, I’m going to win. That’s all I’ve got to say. Tom, you’re going down. You’re going down from down under.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Well, if it was a dancing contest, I know I’m better in that, so.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Should we give out bonus points for dance moves?

DUB LEFFLER:  I think so.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Is that a special Australian dance? What do they call that down there?

DUB LEFFLER:  That’s the I don’t know what I’m doing dance.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Oh, I think I can do that one.

DUB LEFFLER:  Yeah, it’s rarely seen.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  All right, it’s almost time for our game to begin, but I thought we could do a couple quick warm-up drawings first to get everybody in the zone, get our brains moving. So we’ll start nice and easy. I won’t even time you for these first ones. Can you please draw for us an emoji that represents how you’re feeling right now? Is that a moustache on that one, Tom?

DUB LEFFLER:  That looks exactly—oh, gee. You’re good. I should’ve stretched, Tom.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Yeah. Artists at home, this is a good time to stretch.

DUB LEFFLER:  Gee whiz, this is getting serious.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  We’ve got a very cool looking, calm, smiling emoji, and we’ve got an emoji that has some eyes that say like I’m taking this seriously. What are you both drawing with? What materials are you using?

DUB LEFFLER:  I’m using my brain.


DUB LEFFLER:  I am using this Tombow. It’s really cool. It’s like a brush pen.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  That’s a nice pen. That’s a real nice pen. I’ve got a Sharpie chart pen. It’s a little different than the normal Sharpie. It gives me an advantage here tonight, I think.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Oh, okay. All right, our second warm-up. Draw your favorite animal. Another easy one. I like trying to guess what it is that you’re drawing when you’re halfway through.


SARAH FITZHENRY:  Tom, yours looks an awful lot like the orange tabby that is circling around my feet right now. My co-host—his name is Brian, and he is around the room. So maybe I’ll have to bring Brian on screen.


SARAH FITZHENRY:  Yeah, his name is Brian.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  I’ll call this guy Brian.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Oh my goodness. This is very exciting.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Official portrait.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Official portrait. Oh, I believe—I think Brian is here to say hi. It looks a little like him, doesn’t it?

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  You know what really looks like him is this painting of Brian that I have on my wall.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  It does. Audience, we didn’t even plan this. That really just happened. Okay, you both seem warmed up. Are you ready? Do you need another warm-up? Do you feel good?

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Wait. Dub, what animal have you got down there?

DUB LEFFLER:  Yeah, it’s a pygmy marmoset. It’s either that or a whale.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Oh, he’s winning the creativity points between the dancing and the—oh, man. You are both here to play. All right, well let me give you the rules so we can fully jump in. You are each going to be given a word or phrase to draw, and you’ll have sixty seconds to draw it. I have my handy timer right here. Once the time is up, you have to put your drawing materials down and show us what you’ve drawn. You’ll each have a chance to tell us a little bit about your drawing. I’m sorry to disappoint you, but there are no points, and there’s no winners, because I’m just excited to be here, and we’re all really just in it for the art.

So we’ll be spinning a wheel to figure out what it is you’re going to be drawing. But sprinkled throughout the wheel, there are some Double Draw Dare slots. And if we land on one of those, we’ll just say that things will get a little more interesting. Audience, they do not know about these extra challenges, so this will be a big surprise. We’ll just say that they’ll get tricky.

Also, to the audience, we need your help. There are a few spots on the wheel that are labeled “Kids’ Choice.” And that’s you. You are the kids. If we land on one of those, the audience is in charge. So send your wackiest and weirdest and funniest ideas to the chat. And if we land on a Kids’ Choice, then Miss Lawson will pick one of your suggestions to be what we draw during that round.

And our final round will be a surprise, but it’s sure to be a challenge.

As I am pulling up my very impressive wheel, I do want to say thank you to my brilliant assistants, Griffin, Zeke, CeCe, and Gio. Thank you for helping me to create this wheel. You are fabulous. And that also means, Dub and Tom, if you don’t like something that’s on the wheel, you can blame Griffin, Zeke, CeCe, and Gio because it’s totally their fault and not mine.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Man, that’s high class.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Okay, so we’ve got our wheel. Are we ready to spin?

DUB LEFFLER:  Let’s go.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  You’re not supposed to be able to read it now. Tom, you look a little—we’re going to land on just one. Okay, here we go. Your first drawing. Oh, no, we’re starting this off with a double dare right away. As you’re drawing, you have to use both hands at once. And I think I’m going to leave this on, so we can use it again if we need to. All right, so what will you be drawing with both hands at once? I’m glad you have two pens. You are ready. You will be drawing a bubble wand shape that you wish existed. Ready? Go. A bubble wand shape that you wish existed. I think they pretty much only come in a circle, so you have a lot of different options here. Both hands at once. Oh, I think I know where Tom is going with this. Audience members, if you at home can tell, you should definitely yell at your screen. All right, how are we doing? Twenty-five seconds left.

DUB LEFFLER:  Oh, okay, okay.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Okay, ten seconds left. Three, two, one, okay. So who wants to go first? Tell us a little bit about your bubble wand shape that you wish existed.

DUB LEFFLER:  It’s cake.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Ooh, edible bubbles. Okay, that’s pretty good.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  That’s nice. That’s really nice.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  How about you, Tom? What did you go with?

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Man, that’s good. I went with a Yoda-shaped—I want to be able to blow Yoda bubbles. Blow and get like a million little Yoda bubbles floating around. Unfortunately, one pen was dark and one pen was light. For Star Wars it works because there’s a light side and a dark side.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Oh, you really thought this through. Okay. For any future scientists listening, we need bubbles that can hold these forms. Because I would really love some cake bubbles and some Yoda bubbles. That sounds great.

All right. Are you ready for your next drawing? Here we go. Spinning again. Round two. Oh man, we’re going to Double Draw Dare again. Okay, now that we’ve hit it twice, I will take it off. You’re using two hands again as you draw.


SARAH FITZHENRY:  Can we do two Double Draw Dares at once? Well, you’re already using your non-dominant hand. I promise I did not load this wheel only to land on Double Draw Dares. You are both just very lucky.

DUB LEFFLER:  This game is rigged.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Yeah, I think so too.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Oh, you have one minute to draw the world’s coolest bendy straw. Here we go.

DUB LEFFLER:  All right, let’s go.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  I know. Thinking of the idea feels like maybe it’s the hardest part. Audience, while you are watching and drawing along, don’t forget to send your Kids’ Choice ideas to the chat. What do you want to see Tom and Dub draw? Or, maybe what do you want to make them draw? There are two different ways to think about that.

All right, we are halfway through our minute.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  I’m having pen problems.


DUB LEFFLER:  No, pull into the pits.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  You need like a pit crew to freshen up your pens. Fifteen. Okay, ooh, we have one Kids’ Choice idea that just came in. Five, four, three, two, one. Okay, Tom, we’ll hear from you first this time. Show us the world’s coolest bendy straw.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Can anybody guess what shape that is? There’s my drink, and up here’s the top of the straw, and you drink through it. What shape is it? It’s Dub. It’s my Dub Leffler straw.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Okay, that might be the world’s coolest bendy straw.

DUB LEFFLER:  I think so. I’m ashamed to—I did one of you, Tom. I got your face, and your hair, and just that little—

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Now that’s funny. I’ve been doing Zoom panels for a full year. That’s the funniest thing I’ve seen the whole time.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  I would like the record to show that I heard my husband giggling from the other room when you showed that. Okay, how are we going to beat that round? I don’t know, but we’ve got round three coming up. Maybe we’ll be lucky, and there will be no double dare this time. Let’s find out. Next up. Oh, we were so close to a Star Wars one. But instead, we will be drawing an outer space dragon. Go for it. Outer space dragon. Oh, we got another good one in the chat. Some solid Kids’ Choices happening there. I’m really rooting for a Kids’ Choice. What’s going to make these dragons outer space? Oh, okay.

DUB LEFFLER:  Here’s one I prepared earlier.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  As you were warming up, you thought they might ask me to draw an outer space dragon, so I should have one ready.

DUB LEFFLER:  I was drawing space dragons this morning.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Fifteen seconds left.

DUB LEFFLER:  Whoa, whoa, okay. Let’s go.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Five, four, three, two, one. All right. Dub, tell us about your outer space dragon.

DUB LEFFLER:  So this is my friend Fuzz Aldrin. It’s pretty self-explanatory really. Can you see it?

SARAH FITZHENRY:  I can definitely see it. I see some wings. I see a little helmet. It looks ready to explore. How about you, Tom? What did you go with for the outer space dragon?

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  That’s good, Dub. You draw a good dragon. My dragon looks like maybe he’s worried that he’s like running out of oxygen or something. He’s not looking so good.

DUB LEFFLER:  I didn’t bring the tank!

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Oh, that’s right. I forgot to draw the tank, and so he is running out of oxygen. That’s really a shame. He worked so hard to be in that astronaut program, did all that training.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Yeah, that’s a very long training process. Now inquiring minds want to know: “What happens if your dragon sneezed with their helmets on?”

DUB LEFFLER:  I’ve thought about this question a lot. It plagues me.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Okay, so we’ll just have to find out. It was probably part of that training program, right?

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  In space, no one can hear you sneeze.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Okay, let’s see what will be next. You will be drawing—oh, so close to that Kids’ Choice. 

But you will be drawing a beaver’s dream house. Here we go.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  I have no idea.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  That was the goal, yeah. Again, you can blame Griffin, Gio, CeCe, and Zeke for that one. I’m wondering what kind of materials you would use for a beaver’s dream house. Because they might really like wood, but do you want your house made out of something that you would eat? Like would we want a house made out of pizza? These are really tough questions.

DUB LEFFLER:  I’m well acquainted with beavers here in Australia.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Do they have beavers down there?

DUB LEFFLER:  No, we have prime ministers. No beavers.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Was this one a little unfair? I didn’t think of that. Okay, there we are. Tom, is it your turn to go first?

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Oh, okay. Well, I figured it’s not so much the house itself. It’s more about location. So my beaver has a nice little house on top of the Hoover Dam.


DUB LEFFLER:  I can’t beat that. That’s awesome. Yeah, I’ve just got this. What is this? I went to art school, people. This could be you one day. You could draw this good.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  I think it’s fabulous. So other than being put on the spot to draw and design homes for small mammals, what is the hardest part about being an illustrator?

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Lots of times it’s fitting all that stuff into the space that you’ve been given. I’m not very good at that. I’m really not. That’s why if you read one of my books, a lot of the panels—it’s like just his foot or just the tip of his nose. Because I couldn’t fit all of him in with all the other stuff. So that’s really hard for me.

DUB LEFFLER:  It’s choosing what to show, isn’t it, that’s the issue. You’ve got to help the story along. So, yeah, it can be a lot of problem-solving.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  We love that.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Problem-solving, wow. Usually I’m considered to be a problem myself. I hadn’t thought about going around solving problems.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Problems solve the best problems because you understand problems from the inside out, right? Yeah, that’s it. So what’s the best part of being an illustrator? If the hardest part is choosing what to include and kind of editing those drawings, what’s the best part?

DUB LEFFLER:  This stuff. You get to meet other illustrators, and you get to travel around the world, which is really cool. You get to go to a lot of schools. What say you, Tom?

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Those are all good things, yeah. I haven’t traveled all around the world like you have, but I have been to New Jersey.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Where else could you ever want to go? You’ve got everything.

DUB LEFFLER:  You’ve got one up on me. You had to do that. You had to show me up. I’ve never been to Jersey.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Dub, we do have a question in the chat asking if you were a morning person because apparently you seem very cheerful for this early in Australia. So I think that’s a compliment.

DUB LEFFLER:  Yeah, well thank you. It’s all Photoshop. Yeah, you think this is live. This is plainly edited.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Are you ready for your next challenge?

DUB LEFFLER:  Absolutely not. I mean, yes.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Well, you do not want me to sub in for you for any rounds, so you should get ready. Because you are going to be drawing a fish that is scuba diving on land. Let’s get those wheels churning. Here we go. Fish that is scuba diving on land. What would that tank look like? Would there be a tank involved?

DUB LEFFLER:  This is such a good game. What is it with helmets?

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Yeah, I did not mean—there is a helmet question on the wheel as well. This is a helmet-heavy wheel. Sorry about that. We’re very invested in safety on Double Draw Dare, so. All right, we’ve seventeen seconds left.


SARAH FITZHENRY:  It goes by fast, right?

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  I’ve totally—

SARAH FITZHENRY:  I can pause, and we’ll vamp for a few minutes. Anybody have like a joke ready? Oh, knock, knock.

DUB LEFFLER:  Who’s there?

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Interrupting cow.

DUB LEFFLER:  Interrupting cow—

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Moooo. Okay, was that enough time? I got you like ten extra seconds.

DUB LEFFLER:  Yes, yes.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Okay, resume. Five, four, three, two, one. Okay. Oh, I love how different these are. Okay, who’s first? Talk us through what you drew.

DUB LEFFLER:  You’ve got a shark in there. I love it. That is a shark, Tom?


SARAH FITZHENRY:  Is it a shark, Tom?

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  I’m not sure it’s anything.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  If it’s a fish, it’s got a lot of teeth.

DUB LEFFLER:  It’s very anatomically correct. The gills are sort of, so, museum quality.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  There’s a lot in common in your two pictures. They’re different styles, but we’ve both got our helmets again, and we’ve both got our tanks on, which is good. You want your fish to be healthy.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  The thing is scuba divers don’t wear helmets, so I don’t know why we drew that.


SARAH FITZHENRY:  That’s a great point.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  They should have goggles and a little mouth thing.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  You’ve got to be careful with those sharp teeth if you bite through your oxygen hose.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Now I’ve ruined it. Now it looks like he’s choking on a brownie.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Maybe fish choking on a brownie could be our next challenge.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Let’s hope so. I’ve got my fingers crossed for that.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Audience, we would love to hear. Who do you think is winning so far? If you want to send any messages to the chat.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Why would you ask them that right after my fish brownie mistake? You couldn’t have asked them earlier on when I had a good one?

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Okay, next up we are going to be drawing a giggle-powered racecar. That is a speeding vehicle powered by laughter. Here we go. Giggle-powered racecar. Oh, we’ve got a vote for Tom.


SARAH FITZHENRY:  They liked the brownies.

DUB LEFFLER:  Yes. I told you. Anatomically correct.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Ana-tom-ically correct. I see what you did there. And they should be breathing water, not air. That’s a great point. Maybe those were water tanks, not oxygen tanks. We’ve got a very smart audience tonight. We are under thirty seconds, just at about twenty seconds.

DUB LEFFLER:  Jeez, what is this? I was not expecting—

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Dub, you and I alone are powering both of these racecars right now with our giggling.

DUB LEFFLER:  That’s right.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Okay. Show off those giggle-powered racecars.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Hold on, I got to my—okay.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  There we go. All right. Tom, walk us through it. What’d you draw?

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  There’s a dog fight going on in my house right at the moment. My apologies.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Trying to get bonus points with that excitement. I see how it is.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Okay, I think they’re going to be okay. All right, so I drew a car, and then I figured who’s going to drive it, and then I remembered everybody always says pickles are funny, so I have a pickle driving a giggle car.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Always say that pickles are funny. Very thoughtful with what was going to power the car. I like it. Okay, Dub, how about you?

DUB LEFFLER:  Always with the pickle. I don’t know what’s going on here. I guess you’d call this—well, we call it a petrol bowser here, but that’s a gas line. And there’s someone, and they’re giggling right into the tank.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  That makes sense, actually.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Yeah, so they’re filling up the tank.

DUB LEFFLER:  Yeah, they’re adding giggles. So you can see a lot of detail—I’ve got on his face there as he giggles, so.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  So I do have to ask, as we go on to the next round, would you like ninety seconds instead of sixty, or are we good with sixty?

DUB LEFFLER:  I’m liking sixty.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  I think the less time the better for me.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Okay. Well, I can give you four seconds, but that feels like not enough.


SARAH FITZHENRY:  Okay, so let’s see. We’re making a dent in this wheel. It’s happening. What is next? You will be drawing an octopus in formalwear.


SARAH FITZHENRY:  Make this octopus look very fancy. Here we go. Octopus in formalwear.


SARAH FITZHENRY:  To my friends watching at home, I’m wondering if you know just how many pairs of gloves this is going to require.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Oh, I hadn’t thought about the gloves.

DUB LEFFLER:  I don’t wear gloves with formalwear.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  That’s a serious glove budget, come on. Or tiny top hats for each tentacle. I can’t draw, but I can give you ideas. I’m good at that part.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Why would an octopus have gloves?

SARAH FITZHENRY:  I mean, why would an octopus be wearing formalwear, if we’re really diving deeply into this. I mean, if he has an event, and he wants to look good.

DUB LEFFLER:  We’ll really diving deeply, really serious.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  If we want to consider it scientifically. Oh, we are under twenty seconds.

DUB LEFFLER:  Oh, oh. What have we got here? Okay, okay. I’ll put a wristwatch on.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  I had a request from the other room to pause it for a few seconds. My husband wants you to have more time to draw, I think. Or it was the cat. One of those two.

DUB LEFFLER:  Thank you, random husband.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  That’s actually his name. You got it. It’s Random Husband. And now I’ll resume. Here we go. Five, four, three, two, one. Octopus in formalwear. Dub, you are up first this round.

DUB LEFFLER:  So David here is wearing a Louis Vuitton watch. And of course this lovely silk tie all the way from—


DUB LEFFLER:  What we wear here in Australia.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Beautiful. Does the salt water ruin the silk?

DUB LEFFLER:  Well, that’s one of the conundrums.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Yeah. His tie budget must be through the roof.

DUB LEFFLER:  Yeah. Well, hey. Carbon-based life forms, you know?

SARAH FITZHENRY:  How about you, Tom?

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Well, I drew a date for Dub’s octopus. I drew a lady octopus. There she is. She’s very attractive. She’s got the gloves, and she almost had nine legs, but I caught it just in time.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  She is beautiful, and her gown is flowing and gorgeous. I would invite both of those octopuses to all of my formal events. I really would.

DUB LEFFLER:  Sorry, what was that? Ask for her number? You ask.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Okay, we have removed octopus in formalwear, and next up—oh, just missed a double-dare challenge. And, you will be drawing giraffes driving bumper cars.

DUB LEFFLER:  This is awesome.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Giraffes driving bumper cars. Dub, you seem really prepared for this one. You seem like you were like, oh, this is right in my wheelhouse—giraffes driving bumper cars.

DUB LEFFLER:  Before this competition I drew just some giraffes, you know? And maybe in some bumper cars.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  It’s your secret weapon: giraffes and bumper cars. We are coming up on thirty seconds left. Hoping for a Kids’ Choice round soon. Audience, don’t forget to send your ideas to the chat. If we land on a Kids’ Choice, we want to have something great to draw. Maybe more giraffes for Dub. He seems to really like giraffes. I don’t know. All right, ten seconds. Four, three, two, one. Okay, Tom, I think you’re first this time.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  All right, there you go. They’re about to bump. They’re just about to bump.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  It looks like they’re going to bump noses too.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  They might. It could be ugly.

DUB LEFFLER:  Yeah, they’re going to get tangled up. I can see that. Mine is almost exactly the same.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Yeah, they’re very similar drawings.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  I love that. You both have movement lines to show that the cars are moving.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Dub, I like the way you saw it. Giraffes are really tall, so I’ll keep my paper short.

DUB LEFFLER:  Yeah, that’s right.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  So they kind of had to slouch.

DUB LEFFLER:  Yeah. They got to bend down.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  It makes them look very relaxed. They’re just chilling on the bumper cars.

DUB LEFFLER:  That’s right. That’s right. The ride just ended.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Exactly. Okay, I’m cheering for another double dare. Double dare, double dare, double draw, double draw, double dare.

DUB LEFFLER:  Let’s go.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Oh, no double dare. But you are going to be drawing Bigfoot’s favorite shoes.


SARAH FITZHENRY:  Bigfoot’s favorite shoes, yes.

DUB LEFFLER:  I’ve got Bigfoot’s hand here.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Oh, you are really going for the bonus points. The dance moves, the costumes. Oh, man.

DUB LEFFLER:  What is—Bigfoot’s what?

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Bigfoot’s favorite shoes. I’ll pause. You had a costume change, so that bought you a few extra seconds. That sounds fair. Okay, Bigfoot’s favorite shoes.

DUB LEFFLER:  I’m going to study womenswear. Yeah, that looks like one.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Oh, I see some interesting things happening on Tom’s pad, okay.

DUB LEFFLER:  Oh, this looks like my mother-in-law.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  If you’re watching, that’s a compliment.

DUB LEFFLER:  That’s right. No one’s going to see this, are they?

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Ten seconds left. Oh, there we are. Dub, you’re first. Bigfoot’s favorite shoes.

DUB LEFFLER:  Yeah, so I chose some stilettos.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Very stylish.

DUB LEFFLER:  Yes, very stylish. They’re either going to be stilettos or ballet shoes.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Oh, both great options. And she’s got a flirty little skirt on there too.

DUB LEFFLER:  Yes, yeah. Matching.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  How about you, Tom?

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  So, Dub and I obviously think very much alike. I have similar shoes, but mine are actually the ruby slippers from Wizard of Oz. As worn by Bigfoot.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  I’m noticing something. Our illustrations are getting more and more similar as we go along. We’re becoming one super artist. It’s happening.

DUB LEFFLER:  That’s right. Like Voltron. We can be like Voltron, Tom.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  This will be our final regular round before the big finish. So let’s see. I might cheat a little bit and give you a Double Draw Dare, even if it doesn’t land on one.

DUB LEFFLER:  I told you it’s rigged.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  I am going to.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  I’m going to have to report that. I’m sorry.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Well, by the time I get fired, you’ll have already done this challenge, so I’m okay with it. I would like you to draw the logo of a YouTube channel exclusively for cats, while singing. So do you happen to know any Taylor Swift songs?


SARAH FITZHENRY:  Because my first choice is for you to sing while you are singing Taylor Swift.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  I know a song about Taylor Swift.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  That sounds great. You can choose. It can be Taylor Swift. It could be Weird Al. You could sing “Happy Birthday.” But you’ve got one minute, and we want to hear these beautiful voices.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Okay. Dub, will you take the first verse, and then I’ll come in on the chorus?

DUB LEFFLER:  I just know all jazz show tunes.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Oh, show tunes are great.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  I actually know a song by the great M.C. Hammer. It goes like this. Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, Dub Leffler. Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, Dub Leffler. Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, Dub Leffler.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Okay, we’re going to take an official dance break. Da, da, da, da, da, da.

DUB LEFFLER:  Oh, there goes my pancreas.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Do you need that for drawing? Is that important to be an illustrator—a pancreas? I guess we’ll find out, right? Okay, YouTube for cats. Twenty-two seconds.


SARAH FITZHENRY:  Oh, sound effects?

DUB LEFFLER:  It’s helping. Isn’t it a lovely day?

SARAH FITZHENRY:  My cat just meowed. I think she likes this one. Five, four, three, two, one. Tom, are you first this round?

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Well, I’ll go first so that Dub can finish drawing. This is my YouTube for cats. It’s actually part of a prevention service to keep cats from overdosing on too much YouTube. So it shows you the—like this is your cat, and this is your cat on YouTube.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  And Ella in the chat would like you to know that it looks like your cat ate a triangle—like the instrument.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Yes, that’s how it feels when you watch too much YouTube. You’re like, oh, I can’t believe I kept clicking next. Oh, it feels like I’ve eaten a triangle.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Dub, how’s your logo going?

DUB LEFFLER:  Well, you know, my background in marketing. Welcome to MewTube.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Very, very nice.

DUB LEFFLER:  You’re far too kind.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  That’s good, Dub. That’s clever.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Okay, are you ready for the final round?


SARAH FITZHENRY:  So this one will be a little bit different. You will have three minutes to draw.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Three minutes, okay.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  And I will give you the challenge a little bit ahead of time. So you will be designing your dream vehicle. This can be a vehicle that moves in the air or in water or on land—all of these things. It can have cup holders. It can have hair dryers. It can have a movie screen—whatever you want. But while you are drawing, you are going to be answering rapid-fire trivia questions. For example, I might start out by asking Tom how much sweat do your feet produce in a single day, on average. Not your feet. Human feet.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Am I drawing right now? Is this a real question?

SARAH FITZHENRY:  No, this is just a sample question.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Good, because that’s none of your business, frankly. I made it clear ahead of time I would answer no foot-sweat related questions.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Oh, I forgot that part of the rider. Dub, how are you on foot-sweat questions? Is this okay?

DUB LEFFLER:  It happened that one time, Sarah.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  For the record, for our curious audience, average feet sweat two cups per day. Pretty gross, right?

DUB LEFFLER:  Really? Wow.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Okay, Tom you look like maybe you don’t believe that.


DUB LEFFLER:  You need to just leave your feet out in the garden. Water the plants. What are you doing? I’m just watering the plants.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Sprinkler feet.

DUB LEFFLER:  With my feet sweat, people.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Okay, so you’ve got three minutes on the timer. I’ve got some trivia that I’m going to be—we’ll say—yelling at you, most likely. And here we go. Your dream vehicle. And Dub, I’m going to start with you. On which living creature can you find the largest eyes in the world?

DUB LEFFLER:  Oh, the largest eyes in the world. Is it a giant squid?

SARAH FITZHENRY:  It is. Ding, ding, ding. Wow. Tom, how tall in feet is the average basketball hoop?

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Basketball hoop? That’s nine and a half feet.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Oh, I had ten feet, but I think that counts. I think you’re right. We’ve got a perfect score on trivia so far. And we are at two minutes and twenty-two seconds left. Dub, what planet is closest in size to the Earth?

DUB LEFFLER:  Oh, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune. Hmm. Is it Mars?

SARAH FITZHENRY:  It is Venus. I was going to say you were close, but I really have no idea how close you were. But I’ll say it. Yeah, you were very close.

Tom, how fast is the average sneeze in miles per hour?

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  That’s 317 miles per hour.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  You must be a very fast sneezer because for the rest of us it’s about 100 miles per hour. So you have bionic sneezes. Dub, how about the average cough? How fast is the average cough?

DUB LEFFLER:  Oh, is it forty miles an hour?

SARAH FITZHENRY:  You were close. It’s about sixty miles per hour. Tom, what is the world’s least populated continent?


SARAH FITZHENRY:  Now I feel like you might be right, but what I found was Australia because I was trying to put Australia questions in there for Dub. And now I am questioning the legitimacy of that trivia question.

DUB LEFFLER:  I’m so lonely here. It’s just me.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  We all read Once There Was a Boy. We know that it’s written about Australia.

DUB LEFFLER:  I need food. Send me some, please.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  All right, Tom, I’ll give you a bonus question that might actually have the right answer. Which animal never sleeps?

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  What animal never sleeps?

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Never sleeps.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Martha Stewart.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  The other correct answer is bullfrog. A bullfrog never sleeps.


SARAH FITZHENRY:  Dub, what color is a newborn flamingo?

DUB LEFFLER:  Oh, they’re white. I think they’re white.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  My answer says gray, that they are gray. Does that sound about right?

DUB LEFFLER:  I said whitish gray. There was a time lag.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Yeah, that must’ve been it. I’m pausing to give you a little extra time because I really want to ask this question: Tom, what fear is the word anatidaephobia describing?

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  That’s the fear of being on a fake game show. It’s not a joke. It’s not funny. It’s a very serious problem.

DUB LEFFLER:  I know the answer to this one.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  You do, Dub? Steal! What is it?

DUB LEFFLER:  It’s the fear of knowing that somewhere, somehow, a duck is watching you.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  You are 100 percent correct.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  What? This is outrageous. See, that’s why I fear being on a fake game show. Because I’ll end up getting humiliated about a duck.

DUB LEFFLER:  See, go to university, kids. Go to university, kids. This is the stuff you learn, and it does help you.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  All right, let’s see those dream vehicles. I did my very best to distract you, but it looks like you still drew something. So who would like to share first?

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  I’ll go first. In the chat, I saw that a kid had requested a unicorn, eating cotton candy. And so I figured I would make a vehicle for the unicorn to eat cotton candy, while traversing the surface of the moon.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  As one does, yes. Wow, I see the cotton candy. Look at the detail. The unicorn looks hungry. I see you’ve got some tires on there that are really going to be able to handle some moon rocks. We’ve even got craters down there.

DUB LEFFLER:  That is so cool.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Beautifully done, Tom. Okay, Dub, show us your dream vehicle.

DUB LEFFLER:  Well, my dream vehicle. I’m still in bed, and so I don’t have to get up. I just drive around. Can you imagine that? Just like driving to the supermarket, and you’re still in bed? Go through the checkout.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  That sounds lovely. I want to go in both of those vehicles. They both seem so great. 

Thank you both so much. I’m going to give you both a round of applause. Both of our fabulous panelists.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Hey, could we have a round of applause for our game show host, Sarah? Yay!



SARAH FITZHENRY:  You made me look good. Thank you so much for being here. It is time for us to wrap things up. Thank you, Dub and Tom. And to everyone who tuned in, please consider buying these great books from your local bookseller or through the links on and in the chat. You can also check out future virtual events from the Virginia Festival of the Book at Any closing thoughts from our panelists, our contestants?

DUB LEFFLER:  I just have to say this is the funnest panel that I’ve ever been on. It’s amazing. It’s so great to meet you guys.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  I’ve had a ball. It’s been fun. It’s been a lot of fun.

SARAH FITZHENRY:  Yeah. A sequel? With weirder challenges? Is that what you’re calling for? We still have a wheel left. That would be fabulous. Thank you.

TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Are we talking about a rematch in person at the next book festival?

DUB LEFFLER:  I think so. I’m throwing down the Bigfoot gauntlet, right?

SARAH FITZHENRY:  All right, you heard it here first. Rematch of Double Draw Dare part deux. Is that what we’re doing next year? Part dos? We are going for it. Thank you so much. Thank you to the Festival of the Book. And please purchase some of the fabulous books from Tom Angleberger and Dub Leffler. Thanks, everybody.


TOM ANGLEBERGER:  Bye. Bye, everybody. Thanks.

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